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[LAST DYTE]

yeah B...

correct mi if am wrong'

peace.

[Uncaged Thot]

Quote:

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Local Rappers/"Mcees" copy "clothes up to rhymes and change from english to local languauge.....
....lot of emeez change rhymes like from Jay Z into swahili / majority thru publicity feel iz an emcs him/her self create dat.

i need clarity cos i dnt ova nor undastand the above quote!
bona neh, u cannot have the word copy and emcee in the same sentence.
emcees dnt copy ish, they create. peeps who copy are mere wanna-bees, so the the above statement is not true!

[Beesting]

Thot, i didn't say that I know any "Mceee" who is doing this. I just thought that since Ladt Dyte has spotted this illness in Swahili Rhymes I should just create some awareness here in SA since we have something in common (rapping with our home lingos) They may be people doing this or who are thinking of doing it. so before it propels, let just let everybody know so that we kill the bastards before they emerge. And if you may notice above, the word Mceee has inverted commas, which means, the so called mcees. Phela we got fakers too cos not all of them are real or are about real issues.

Ihope this explains the reason why I posted the quote in "Irap Yes'Zulu Isiyindumezulu" and "Setswana" Forums. I hope you are not the one who deleted that quote cos it was there for the above reason only- creating awarenes and ensuring that a "minimum"- cos they'll always there like it or not- copy cats emerge in vernec hip hop. Nothing beyond that.

:!: :?:

[Uncaged Thot]

sho ntanga, i feel u ryt there! & nah im not the one who deleted the post!


message to all da hip hop massive!


as soon as u see yoself copying or thinking about copying
people's thots, know that you are not an emcee, U R A FOOL,A FUCKEN FOOL

[blacknoise]

The brothers earlier spoke of how it is right now, but that dont make it right. I know we need food right now, but truth be told, hip hop has never been a quick fix to eat ... never. These MCs from overseas that people all worship so, they struggle for long periods of time to get where they are financially. Hip Hop is about that sacrifice and finding other solutions, like making money from breakdancing on the street corners. MCs rhyming for quick cash in schools, at shopping malls to show off skills for quick cash ... that I have seen, but being hungry and waiting to get signed ... no way man ... you will starve. Another plan is needed to survive till that point anyway. As for the clothing labels and the local instruments and sounds ... why not, its been done and is being done. Maybe that will create more local buyers of Hip Hop. Globalizations just a lie, a global lie to con masses into being workers for the minority and sold the dream that you too can be rich like them if you work hard ... mmmm YEAH RIGHT!!! It takes many people being oppressed to reach that state of riches and they only give you so much as long as you on their side. Switch sides and they will hang you ike they did Michael Jackson or Prince or any person of colour that challenges their riches ... but we have a choice to not buy from them. Same with democracy, which is being sold packaged with capitalism. These things are beneficial to those making money off the masses. CHANGE is REVOLUTION and we need a change of mind or we will always have this situation. If thats cool with you, OK, but for me ... I want real change. We have to create our own version of what they implimented here in South Africa. A version that calls for discipline, respect and consideration. Its a HUGE CHALLENGE, but we will remain slaves if we dont BRING IT ABOUT and hip hop has become just one of our tools used by them to enslave us even more. Will we accept that or create something different for our childrens children. Aluta Continua - the Struggle Continues. Change is inevitable and must come.

[Uncaged Thot]

FOR REAL NOISE, I THINK U SHOULD SPACE YOUR TEXT MAN.

IT IS NOT REALLY SIGHT FRIENDLY. U HAVE SO MUCH WE CAN LEARN FROM ,BUT EISH, READING

BECOMES TORTURE!!! PLZ MAN. I HOPE IT AINT 2MUCH 2ASK!!

UNCAGED BLESSINGS RYT AT YA

[addict]

yhea yhea..whateva...u right tho..another way of makin cash is needed thas why we sell drugs..and do
houza houza...hijeckings and sht...picture me on the streets fkn brakedancin..not a chance...
u tryna make hiphop sum nerdish musik...fuk u...since dis sht started on the streets it'll end there..fuk change

[arithmetic logic]

I once heard change is good. Don't shoot me I merely thinking out loud :wink:

[arithmetic logic]

[ global lie to con masses into being workers for the minority and sold the dream that you too can be rich like them if you work hard ... mmmm YEAH RIGHT]

Gents there is this series of books called Rich dad Poor dad, it basically questions the way we are taught in school. We are taught to be worker instead of being the employers. Just like us now talkin' bout getting deals EXACTLY THE SAME SHIT. thats why u see artists who have been at the top en seen the light starting their own labels. Some of us are still studying en with all this BEE going on we should be looking to start our own businesses, wether it be a record label or what ever. NOISE is right it's time we understood the power of knowledge en broken the chains. BE YOUR OWN BOSS

[blacknoise]

We are at war with ourselves ... free your mind ... read

I purposely put up a thread that encourages how to survive doing what you love ... Hip Hop. The result was proof in itself. The Hip Hop community, is not really interested in learning to do what they love or to own their own futures. You see slaves want to be managed or owned or work for them, so that we dont have to deal with the business side of things or engage with the slave-masters children on equal footing. You see, we want to act hardcore, but are children and slaves mentally. We wanna get angry, when we should be reading and learning to take charge of our true freedom. Our economic freedom is directly connected to our physical, emotional and spiritual freedom on this planet. This is a capitalistic world that they run and we are merely worker bees until we also take charge of our future by engaging them on that playing field. We are not even on the field, damn! we are the maintenance workers that ensure that their fields are running smooth and they are the owners of the teams, the slaves that they use to make their game run smoothly.

They make you believe that you are equals to them and that what you say can make an impact within their world, but truth be told, they only make you think they are interested in what you say. Your money is their main concern. If you are in charge of your money and lots of it, then they sit up and listen to you and give you your respect. The other time they listen or fear, is when you see their money for its valuelessness. Its their only power and they fear that you realise it and barter with each other to destroy their financial stronghold on peoples minds.... Other than that, hip hop is just a way to make money to them. They dont care if it commercial or hardcore, they have no passion for your skills and word play. Their concern is BOTTOM LINE PROFIT MARGIN. MTV Base is another example of them making the masses believe that they want to give coverage to African artists ... yeah rught, you see its just a way to get the new market to buy from them. CONTROL ... Mental Control.

I laughed when the other angry brother came on this thread and dropped his 50cents about hardness and crap .. You see that part of their power. Slaves often defend the master to the extent of killing those trying to encourage a revolution = change. They do like they did to Jesus, to Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Steve Biko, Chris Hani, Mohatma Ghandi, Patrice Lamumba, etc etc etc. We kill one another for the slave master ... ironically they dont even have to tell you directly any longer ... Mind Control ... MC ... is how its done. Subliminal pressure from rappers with little brain power, sense of self and you could get anyone killed through mental prompting through the TV stations they control, record labels, radio stations, newspapers, magazines, posters on poles in your townships, cellphone messages, .... in fact all ways in which you gather our information ... THEY OWN. Do you still not want to face the truth that they own you???? Read between the lies and intrusive airwaves that they control for the truth. Their revolution is being TELEVISED ...

READ !!!!! LEARN
Emile YX?

[arithmetic logic]

REAL TALK: Not to say I am any better, I just wish U could PM some advice to some doods on this site (so as

not to embarrass anyone). Just sh*t about life, Mannnn U so right, THERE'S NO ECONOMIC FREEDOM WITHOUT

MENTAL FREEDOM. My take is that some things cannot be taught in books U have to go out en fail, as they jokingly say

EXPIERIENCE IS SOMETHING U GET SRAIGHT AFTER U NEED IT. Without real life experiences you will never be

Mentally free yet alone be economically free. READ GENTS, use the internet business ideas are all over.

REMEMBER: They say 9/10 of all businesses fail, therefore u must be prepared to fail nine times to be Free.

En if u got your mind right pick up one of those rich dad poor dad books you will not regret it

[mr rehd]

i'm feeling the topic on this thread.
keeep it coming...
my advice is dont forget to have fun

[Black Noise]

Peace My Brothers and Sisters

I have repeatedly pointed out the obvious way in which these controllers of the global capital manipulate HIP HOP as a new tool to brainwash the masses and make them slaves to what they wish to be the broadcasted mentality of OUR VOICE.

I have heard people like Chris Rock saying that it is not the media we fear when we are alone in a dark street, its that black brother that will live down to their expectation. It is also that misguided and terminally mentally ill brother that will make his sisters look like whores and cheap flesh regularly in their media. They hide behind these greedy brothers and even sisters to justify their version of who we are. They make it easier to dehumanise black people as animals, when Snoop walks onto a stage with our mothers on a leash like a dog. That is not funny, but how young black men and other groups of people will percieve us. When I tour Europe and some young white kid asks me "Yo Nigga , whats Up, I see that he thinks its OK to call me what others on MTV or on a Daily call black people and that he assumes that it is normal for black men to play basketball or treat black women this way and if we do not step up to defend our sister, then he will assume that it is OK to do the same to our mothers and sisters. It is for this reason that I insist that hip hop is being used by them to enslave our minds and the minds of our under-educated youth. Our people are being sold this version of who we are and the newspapers like the "Son, Voice and Argus in South Africa is a daily reminder of how little they think of us and our morals and mostly our ability to stand up and defend ourselves and our integrity. Daily these devils have negative news on every poles in the Cape Flats. Insulting my people in their face and making positivity seem impossible to a child that wants to fight the drug explosion, They make its seem like we can not win and that the dealers and the users are the majority, when it is not the truth, but they sell that same bullshit lie that bad news sells ... for who??? They have taught the reader to think like that. When I was younger I heard songs from Sonya Herald on radio and I hated that version of Afrikaans because of Apartheid, but slowly I remembered the words and can still sing that for you today. My point being that people can be conditioned to like and remember anything that they wish you to think. if they bombard you with it regularly.

Ironically, these owners of newspapers houses will not accept if I put posters on poles in front of their houses saying that the owner of the Son, Voice and Argus is a self-serving greedy bastard that have no respect for South Africa or its people. He would not like his or her children to see that everyday about their dad or mom , but they go ahead daily demotivating and insulting my community as if that is their real agenda. This is the same people who act globally in the interest of money and not the people. They call it freedom of speech as long as it does not insite anger amongst white people, but as long as it gets black people to kill each other and themselves, it is OK. You see my brothers and sisters ... slavery has taken the form of mind control. Controlling the mind, makes the slave take responsibility for his own actions, yet the inspiration for these action is never even wrapped over the knuckles for thier role in the game...

In closing, I would like to apologise to my sisters and mothers and Afrikan brothers and fathers globally for not standing up and defending your integrity more vocally and furiously. I will try my best to do this more loudly and agressively in the future. Africa, the media is a powerful tool used to enslave us mentally and shift the blame of their oppression to the victim instead of the puppeteer controlling minds with information control. We need to awaken to who really pulls the strings.

Peace
Emile

[Black Noise]

Peace to you

You are completely right in saying that we have to point out soluion and I am working on that alternative as we speak and point out the shortcomings of our previous collective action. Unfortunatey, most just speak like so many rappers and its worthless. I also agree that people seldom see how these bigger mind control actions affect their immediate problems, but we have chased after their (capitalistic) marketed version of success and it is no solution that involves all the people. I have become aware that this version of success means running away from the masses after oppressing them daily and accumulating wealth for self and not for the betterment of humanity on the planet at all. I know ths sounds optimistic, but we have to create something new that will not have the ultimate result of revolution.

You are right that we struggle to learn in situations that are not the most educating and make that sacifice for improving our lives and I agree, I have been down that road as well. I studied to be a teacher and had so much passion for the proffession that I wanted to change the my world through teaching and they soon silenced that dream to just bogging me down with red tape and administration. This is the nature of the system unfortunately. It becomes so overwhelming that you feel defeated in the face of so much struggle. You are tld to be realistic and face the reality of this capialistic world, so you do and soon inherit all the problems everyone else is confronted with. Working that dream job, creating dream debt, getting stuck in situations that are related to the lack of freedom more than the immediate problem. We tend to wanna solve the results of the actual proble instead of the cause of that problem. hat is what i am trying to point out and rectify.

It is worthless persuing the result of the trouble, when the cause constantly creates a variety of problems that we tend to not see related to the original problem. As a solution, I create jobs for those who need work, but at the same time I explain that work alone is not the solution, but management of money and self worth will assist in not spending constantly in the hope that people will value you by your possessions instead of your character. Work will not assist your freedom, if you are just doing it o have a job and make it part of your journey to improve your and your families lives and not just for the present, but with the vision of what you want the future to be as well. Solutions include the connction of peoples dreams to their liberation from having to fit into a system that dos not hae their interest at heart, but to work towards one that creates jobs and work that will beneit the community and ultimately the country ad the world by that contribution. These are the steps that I see myself taking to make people aware of a better way for us to survive on this planet through not only awareness but analysis of our problems and creating solution that are unique to our special problems created by conolim and apartheid. A simple example being the ability apartheid has and had to still divide us by race, religion and tribe and how that wil be continually be used by capitalist controlled media for the distraction from their agenda and transfering blame from them to us.

In closing, I would like to thank you for your insight and contribution to my thought. I have learnt so much from hip hop and eaching and I learn daily from so many other brothers and sister like yourself. This journey of life is an ongoing learning curve that should help us to become all that we can while we are experiencing the journey and hopefully result in better solutions to our problems and celebration of our greatness. I feel that it is our responsibiliy to turn the tide and not just swim along with it. This version of Capitalism is destroying the planet and playing along makes us all accomplices to its destruction. You are right, awareness needs solutions.

Peace and Respect
Emile

[Black Noise]

Just completed African Battle Cry in Ceres and malmesbury, Abbotsdale.

Im noot too sure that being cut off from access to the internet, the latest DVDs, videos, etc is all bad. In these towns people are still talking to each other and "mixit" has not castrated the actions of young people completely. I saw some young people do b-boying and capoeira. At the same time many are hungry to learn and excitd about the newness of he culture. Hardness is not even an issue and I was wondering about the benefits of progress and access to the media. Here in Abbotsdale, about and hour or so outside of Cape Town, kwaito dancers are still willing to attend a hip hop jama nd represent in a circle. Thats beautiful for me in the hope that the ultures will learn form each other and maybe we will truly create something completely new. Thats real hip hop ... experimentation. Don't get me wrong, Im not saying that these kids were not biting, but they had some steps that you dont see in the city, especially the poppers who are more original than in the big cities where everything is copied from videos or DVDs.


I just thought to get on the internet and add to this thread that being isolated is a good thing if you want to be original and unenslave ones mind from biting whats forced from all angles apon our minds. Thanks to Ceres and Malmesbury I feel that I have hope for the culture. I saw this about Oudsthoorns b-boys too. They create things that are a bit different from what is normal to most b-boys, so I salute you brothers and sisters.

True Freedom is about unchaining ones minds, in order for the bosy to truly be free
Emile

[FRY]

We as South Africans Need to promote patrism.This will change the mind of the masses.We all need to treat the growth and promotion of local goods as a long-term investment.It will indeed a lot of hard work,but it will pay off in the long run.We as members of the hip hop community need to set a raise the bar.We need educate,empower and motivate communities to realise that we all need to work together!!!Patrism is the answer for a unified South Africa!!!

Let's work together to build a sustainable infrastructure for the leaders of tomorrow.

Peace!!!!!

[Black Noise]

Well put, we need to look beyond the Apartheid labels that our freedom fighters faught for and challenge our current government to stop refering to us as black and white South Africans and stop using apartheids language. SOUTH AFRICANS died so that we could change that language and what do they do. Divide us in the same way and justfy it with quotas and other crap that makes our country weaker. Yes, as a South African I understand that those who have less should be taken care of first. But for you to rub that in my face and tell me that I did not suffer enough, is an insult to families who have lost loved ones from all so-called race groups and economic backgrounds.

I sometimes wonder about the intention of the government and the people that are their spokespersons. I wonder why they are using a language to divide the masses. They are the voce of "we the people", The masses of us that voted for them and yet they divide us daily. What would make a government do something like that. Then I see the forces behind the scenes playing the race card in the media and making it more vocal than fools in government that fall for their race-bating and divide and conquer strategy. SOUTH AFRICANS must realise that the media is not our friend and they play up stupid acts of governement officials in order to divide the people and thus maintain financial control. They are the spokes-personas for the multi-nationals and are owned by then, so their job is to distract us from the issue ... which is their mental control of the masses and thus the wealth of the country. They need to keep our attention away from them , the real oppressors of the masses, so they create divides to distract us from them. Hip Hop knows this, but currently we are playing right into their hands by signing to their oppressive labels and buying from them and waiting for them to inform us about how we could be successful.

As you said ... Or actions today will set the foundation for future generations liberation. In the same way that Steve Biko and Ashley Kriel died for our freedom, we now have to confront this beast (Capitalism which owns the media) and expose it to the next generation and show them alternatives that will really free us.

Power to you ...
Emile

[Black Noise]

Hip Hop in Cape Town is a strange creature.

Although it was started here with Black Noise, POC and others back in the day, it definitely has become this strange pittiful excuse loving and blame placing culture that does very little except complain about those who are doing something. This does not imply that the ones trying to get something done in the communities are doing a perfect job, but at least they are trying and thats a good thing, right.

Well, wrong, according to these hard heads that represent the underground and know what is best, but very seldom do anything about what they are saying is wrong. These MCs that insult and find fault with everything and everyone else trying to get the ball rolling, so inevitably less people assist Cape Town to get up from the flatline that is growing with all forms of the expression in CPT . I was shocked to find out that MCs in Cape Town think that the older groups are stopping them from getting bigger paid gigs???? I was shocked to find that they feel that the state of hip hop is because a few people are holding on to the resources and thus they cant grow or become successful ... mmmmm. That is some crazy slave shit if ever I heard it. Do these MCs, writers, b-boys and DJs know that these companies call these crews because they have a track record in delivering an entertaining show and thus they are called back again and again and instead of making excuses, maybe they should ask what it is that they can do to their shows to get interest from the masses. Maybe they should even try picking up the phone and calling to get shows or do presentations so that they can pitch for gigs. Maybe they should realise that people want something that they are not offerening in the form of entertainment that is not insulting the audience, but celebrating and being thankful that the crowd wants to see them. Just maybe they will admit that they are not giving the crowd what they want and thus have to create a fan base that will come to the gigs and pay to see them. Maybe thats it, they should create a market for their type of hip hop and thus when they perform those new converts will come in thousands to see their shows and thus the organiser will hire them again. You see these organisers dont care what you rhyme about, as long as you bring the crowd to the venue and get bums on seats ... thats what it boils down to. You exposing their project, product or event to as many people as they can get to the event. Thats the bottom line. They do care that you bring numbers and deliver a show and not just rap for the 5 heads in the crowd you got in for free on your guest list.

Be real men and woman and ask yourself how you can change the current hiring of the same bands. How you can battle others shows so they start hiring your group. Thats how its done. Create a better gig and win over new audiences and we don't all have to rap about the same thing (heaven forbid), but PUSH your marketing in places that it is needed to be seen and that will bring you the results you are looking. They cant hire you if they dont know about you and the bands they are hiring are just too happy to get work because the work is so scarce in Cape Town anyway. You need to do the work and I AM TELLING YOU THIS IN THE HOPE OF HELPING YOU AND NOT DISSING YOU. READ READ READ & LEARN Stop being so hard headed and take action and not just bitch about your lack of exposure. JHB and everywhere else does not give a fuck about you and your problems, they are just to happy that its one less crew to battle for work or a deal. CAPE FLATS RISE UP FROM YOUR SLEEP, stop being SLAVES and make excuses while the rest of the world is moving forward, your making excuses and blaming others for your situation .... I feel its time I worry about me too, these ouens dont want to learn and hate you when you want to help them ... Its strange how they stay brasse only with the other ouens that are also blaming others and not doing shit for themselves. What I find amazing is how slaves direct their anger at people attempting to be revolutionary or freeing themselves, while they just love the slave master. ....

Ek het genoeg gepraat en genoeg gehelp wa ek kan. My track record praat vir syself, so is gran ouens ... ekke need a holiday van die self-distructive slave mentality. Julle might as well tik of virrie son werk, julle praat net k*k van mekaar en los 'ie slave master om te benefit. Its time to work with new laaighties that wanna learn and let these old excuse loving crews get 9-2-5's, get married and be old skool and talk about "back in the day".

Peace - Set your mind free and your body will follow
Emile YX?

[Black Noise]

MTV and Corporates ave purchased their version of hip hop as an advert to sell shit to the masses, but at the centre of that insecurity is their own fear of worthlessness. Why do they have to have so much money and show it off to the masses, is based on their fear of their own personal value. The idea of I AM WORTHLESS and thus have to show everyone my worth financially, even if my actions are of no particular value to the planet. Their consumeristic ways have encouraged others watching their greed and desire to have the same because they too are being raised to think that their own worth is directly proportionate to the amount of money or material wealth they can accumulate in a career. They search the latest trends to speak on their behalf and co-opt anything that has the youths attention and hip hop is one such thing. It has become their perfect mouthpeice to sell their ideology to the masses and create more people who connect with their insecurity of selfworth and value. This encourages capitalism to grow while at the same time ensures that a whole new generation of mental slaves can be manipulated into reaching for that dream that is actually the nightmare of a fake reality that creates more disposable materilistic products that can never complete or fullfil the whole that a lack of self love creates.

I have just returned from watching Al Gores "Inconvenient Truth" and I realised that he missed the point about why people like George Bush dont give a f*ck about the planet ... ANSWER ... Capitalists have the interest of money over everything else and this exposes their own lack of love for self. Why do you think we would go to the extent of wanting to destroy the only home we have, PLANET EARTH. It is a reflection of our own worthlessness and how we wish to kill ourselves because we have no respect for our life, the life of others and all life on this beautiful planet. I jst saw Mzanzi Rides with Ready D and Saskia on Channel No local artists who dont look sound or sell their corporate shit. It sells that new exciting time that Africa thinks it wants to finally play on the international scale, BUT ACTUALLY its about being a part of their game, their rules and the players will benefit es, but their children and plaets future suffers in the end. In a time when the planet needs to cut down on carbon emission and pollution, one would think that we would be more responsible in our burning of fossil fuels, but no, we soop our cars and play expensive games to increase the pollution on the planet, irrespective of the fact that we have too many children that will have no planet to live in in 50 years time. How stupid and inconsiderate is that. I am not knocking these local celebrities hat are meely tryng to make some money and get that all elusive fame that hip hop is also about. BUT, DAMN! Have we no brains any longer that we blindly beg these capitalists to back us to destroy our planet. "30 pieces of silver ..." is what we greedy for when LIFE and the continuation of the LIFE ON THIS PLANET is PRICELESS.

Hip Hop once was able to reason, analyse and REBEL....
Their revolution is being televised ...

Let me know wat you think
Emile