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Ayo can i Unite all the Africans Mcees in this Forum


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#1 Guest_Mwenda_*

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Posted 24 March 2003 - 04:52 PM

I would like to unite or at least try and see if we can have a crew of African Mcees so as to congregate and unify our versatile skills and try to take hiphop in adirection that is of our own identity rather than copy the same ol' sh!t that is being depicted in almost every video and crew, in almost every counrtry. my beef is that i tend to see Mcees regurgatating the same sh!t the world around and the problem with this is that everyone wants to depiuct what americans are doing when they don't even live in america. i am studying here in the US of america and what i find that is funny is that most of the Black folk out here want to be African Whilst most of the Africans want to be Black american, its like a dog chasing its own tail. we are of the same difference. the American mcees are at the forefront of this artform but have come to a point where they seem to have run out of innovative ideas. what kills me is the fact that African Mcees claim to be gangsters and for some reason want to depict and glorify the sitting on the corner sipping OE smokin Blunts and all that when the fact of the matter is this for the Americans was not some thing they did to be cool but was the state the found themselves in due to economic struggles, and God knows we as African have had worse struggles than any continent the world over. so my

1st point is why would we depict a struggle that we have faced for many years just because it is now glorified on American tv.

2nd as Mcees truthfully ask yourself why you picked up the mic for the 1st time, was it for recognition(eg sex, fame, attention etc), was it for money , or was it to educate and convey a message

My opinion of being an Mcee was so that people from different places in the world could politic and convey they way the live in the particular place they live in, from a perspective different from that of which you may not be used to and as this would go on Mcees would trade ideas in search of finding better solutions of improving the ways we live. in anut shell its is w new form of polictics where the people speak their minds and trade ideas of better improving their living conditions without the use of crooked politicians. the only problem with this is "MCEES TODAY ARE SO LOST THAT THE WOULD RATHER GLOAT AND BOAST BOUT HAVIN THIS AND THAT WHEN REALISTICALLY THEY DON'T OWN SH**" and they basically forgot why they picked up the mic in the 1st place.


YOU are only as Original as your Idea--- to all you "real Mcees"

Sorry for the long Post

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Posted 24 March 2003 - 07:50 PM

i am not an mc but i agree with mwenda.

#3 Guest_Mwenda_*

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Posted 25 March 2003 - 05:35 AM

i guess nobody wants to . sorry folks

#4 Guest_DaRk a.k.a Nash_*

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Posted 25 March 2003 - 05:59 PM

Imma holla man.

I feel you on that. I'm Tinashe from Zimbabwe (19yrs). I've been visiting this site for a while now, I use to post frequently way back when catz where tight. Ya'll need to go way back in the archives when Agrik, DOPE, me (Nash), and other catz were blazin it up.

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Posted 26 March 2003 - 05:10 PM

hi people,
i'm so glad that alot of u guys responded very intelligently.........if u've listened to nas's single 'i can' u'll notice he actually educated the world bout africa........................we dont leave on trees, we aint thrash people...the world wants to know 'bout us but if we choose to sound so american while rapping and singing then i say we can call it a day.this a tyme when we should all tap in to da technology of developed countries and use it to our advantage......;production,distribution,communication..............................u start on ur part and lets meet again.
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Posted 26 March 2003 - 07:25 PM

I'm liking what i'm hearing from those that responded to the post so far, for those that didn't please leave us a message about what you think. and I would like to find out about some of our backgrounds, i'll set it off

My Name is Musa W. Ochan
I live in Washington D.C but just recently moved to Canada to attend University, I am currently finnishing my Degree in Electrical Engineering specializing in Electronics. I've been an avid hiphop fan ever since i 1st watched breakdancing in 1984. I am 23 years old.
I b-boy and Mcee my mcee name is Musa aka Shaka aka Mwenda
I am originally from Uganda but was raised in Kenya, Tanzania, and Sudan
i have travelled through various places throughout the world. one of my missions in life is to represent Africa and portray it in its most righteous place. I may have not been to all the countries in Africa but I deeply feel that i belong to all. thats why whenever people ask me where I'm from i always say Africa without really specifing the exact pinpoints because i feel and due believe in Kwame Nkurmah, Patrice Lumumba, Nyerere and many others views as to africa in some context should be recognized not as a continent but as a country as a whole similarily as Austiralia. if this was to occur in harmony we would be a force to be recogned with. i know these views are not particularly of the above candidates but they were some what directed towards something of that sort. So i am not just speaking to Mcees but to everyone in general. I just feel mcees may have a better chance of being heard as to the fact that more and more of our youth listen to hiphop and if we can encourage them to see these views and respect our home land as being an enormous untapped resource before the Europeans and the west begin to recolonize it again then we would have a better fighting chance than our ancestors did. Belive me the will return. What bothers me is the fact that more and more of us are leaving our home land to pursue better educations and then acquiring good jobs and never returning home to at least teach what we learnt and implemnet our knowledge to better our home land, whjen the fact is according to Statistics around the world Africa has the most highly educated immagrants per capita who enter into these European nations. So can we get serious about our motherland before we end up regreting it in the end. Thank you and i apologize once again for such a long post.

Hit me up @ Shaka007zulu@hotmail.com
and for all you mcees in need of Production and collados I got mad hook ups no word of a lie. hope to hear from ya'll soon

Uhuru na Imani, 1 love, 1 heart, 1 voice, 1 fight. :wink:

#7 Guest_Mwenda aka Shaka_*

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Posted 26 March 2003 - 07:31 PM

Please don't get it twisted I am not a racist, I just have a great passion for the preservation of african culture and history or what left of it so please don't take it the wrong way.

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Posted 27 March 2003 - 06:10 AM

there is no way to make emceein african, for the simple fact that it was birthed in new york (US). and please, dont mention some shit about hiphop started before the slave ships - that would mean that we should also be rock artists.

my point is this. Hophop is like soccer. We learned it form another country, and we play it almost exactly the same, but, with a slight touch of difference. (wats different between okocha and denilson? - very little)

but, in the end, we emcee because we love the art form. by TRYING to make it african, then we deform it.

and....as much as i am a hiphop underground terrorist, NO ONE HERE HAS THE RIGHT TO DENY SOMEONE ELSE THE CHOICE TO BE COMMERCIAL, AS MUCH AS THEY DONT HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL YOU JACK....freedom of emceein. just do whats in your heart - in the end, the truth proves victorious.

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Posted 27 March 2003 - 08:32 AM

i did not mean make it african i simply stated (as you did in reference to soccer), lets come out with a different flavour. instead of speaking about being gangster standing on the block slanging weed, lets talk about issues that affect us such as poverty and how we deal with it, such as graduating from schools with top honors and can't find jobs, such as corruption within our own governments etc. Simply stated i am speaking of finding ways and ideas we can share that may help each of us overcome these woes we have been facing for many years cause if we can't educate ourselves who shall educate the next generation on matters that they deal with at 1st hand, not american mcees cause they don't live or experience the exact same things we experince where we live period.
And as far as your comments on the origins of hiphop, its is a form of poetry and was originated in the states as far as laying it down on music, but as far as being orated that was established long ago probably even before african griots first implemented the art form. anyways i just wanted to see if anyone was up for the task it was just an idea i had in mind i did not place it to debate on the history of hiphop nor did i say let make it african, i just stated lets add some thing new to the artform for it is now so stagnant that you have children in africa fighting over who is a blood and who is a crip, you have kids fighting over biggie and pac, you got kids wanting to flaunt bling bling when they still sleep on a cot and have no educational tools of of acquiring these luxuries and i just think it is all madness. Let us breed children who can acquire the knowledge and understanding of how to acquire tools that can allow them to enjoy these luxuries without having to struggle for these entities.
sorry if you misunderstood my point.
if you have a better solution let us hear it i'm open to ideas that shall help us motivate rather than those that degenerate.
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Posted 07 April 2003 - 08:31 PM

WHAT UP? :D

#11 ramal lamar

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Posted 08 April 2003 - 09:59 AM

i ain't go get into it too much... i'm one of those descendants of afrikan slaves, my peoples migrated over here to the west coast and i was born and raised in los angeles california. currently im finishing up my studies at san francisco state university.

i do not wish to speak on behalf of the whole African experience of Maafa survivors, but I do have experience enough to place my words on this screen and contribute to the dialogue, because hip hop is an expression of that pan-african culture that us young people know about so well.

my whole point in writing this is to simply say, we recognize the diversity of pan- afrikan culture, and with that we challenge the ideological construct of a so -called dialectic between the african born back home, and the african born abroad, whether in Europe or in the New World as descendants of african slaves.

Honestly, a lot of my experience with the diverse aspects of this pan-african culture has been in my university and intellectual life from meeting different african students such as my self from various regions of africa, and the world. God made it like that. So we africans, recognizing the power of this chance to advance our humanity... we build , build and build with each other. Not just studying together in a group for some class, we do that too, but i'm talking about making up for lost time. in a strictly philosophical sense , its been a while since we've 'seen' each other. Two custodians of the same pan-african culture, each from distinct and unique backgrounds.

Like this, if you out here in the Western Hemisphere of the world and you don't know where Tupac Amaru Shakur got his first two names from, and you claim to be a custodian of our culture, then you ain't serious. You a sucka. (Even if you don't claim to be a custodian , you are!because you folks out here is hungry, fiending for some freedom and reconnecting back to Africa),

If you can't appreciate the fact that Tupac Amaru was a revolutionary indigenous fighter from Peru who fought off Spanish colonialists in the 17th century, and Tupac Shakur was named after him in a tradition of African struggle in the Americas against slavery, then you don't know about this revloutionary culture called hip hop. Which implies that you ain't out here in the West learning the lessons required for your historical task in this African Renaissance that is taking place around the world.

You can't even respect the fact that after Tupac's death in 1996, that the tupac Amaru guerilla fighters led an attack on the Peruvian government, and the puppet prime Minister, right around the time the democratic of the Congo was temporarily united.

We ain't even talked about the Black Panthers yet. You can't even come to the West with out demonstrating your knowledge about the differences and relationships between the Shakurs( see, Assata, Mutulu, Tupac, Afeni, etc), the ji Jaja's( see Geronimo Ji Jaja Pratt), and other African families here in the wilderness of North America.

No, you ain't supposed to just know this and know that. But you are supposed to want to know, and if so, you are supposed to know who to go converse and receive this knowledge and wisdom. It really enhances you experiences out here in the West. We, the descendants of the West, have a lot of vital information to share with you, as we sincerely seek vital informatuion of ourselves from you all who were born back home.

General knowledge required for us who accept the responsibilities of masters of ceremonies.

I'm talking about stuff like revisiting hip hop classical material like digable planets 1993 album(10 years ago) "reachin, a new refutation of time and space" do yall remember that? who 's ready to really appreciate the content of that album by posing a philosophical discussion? Do yall think I'm playing when I say that all those interrelated themes throughout that album is really nothing more than an explanation of quantum physics according to a sound method waaaay fresher than the way Einstein's posed his General Theory of Relativity? I'm ready not only to battle those who doubt my intelligence on the matter, but also to show and prove my position as fact.

Was you listening to that album 10 years ago? If you were then maybe you know what I'm talking about. If you wasn't then I highly recommend for this upcoming autumn.

okay, i've listed just a few things illustrate the beauty in the diversity of our beautiful philosophy and culture.

And to clarify one more point: The African -American just don't live in the U.S. Geographically speaking, Afro-America extend all the way North to ALaska and Canada, all the wa down through Panama, down to the southernmost tip of Chile, to Tierra del Fuego. It strictly a political term.
Generally speaking, most of us don't use it, we say Black or African.

Ramal Lamar
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Posted 08 April 2003 - 10:55 AM

YOH!! MWENDA,
WE CAN DO THIS SHIT!!
WORD...

#13 Guest_MKEMIA_*

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Posted 08 April 2003 - 05:45 PM

FUCK U MWENDA , U CAN SUCK BETTA THAN U CAN DO ANYTHING ELSE. DICK SLAP IN YO FACE.

#14 Guest_Dyme_*

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 07:36 PM

fuck u oreo-bitch if u aint got anythin proper 2 contrabute then just leave the danm thread!

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Posted 09 April 2003 - 09:50 PM

yo,i was born in Gweru (Zim), my father's been workin in South Africa since 1992 so in 1996 our whole family moved down to CApe Town.spent sum time in the "gheto" for a bit, n SA havin the highest crime rate in the world (literaly), we'd hear gunshots n shi like that every night. wen i experienced this, i finally understood why most american rapers say the shi they say, it's basicly how they grew up. Now for someone who doesnt know, it seems like these people t just tryin to cause trouble, but they don understand. when i look at the African-American history n the South African history its very much the same, we were both under white laws that stated that blacks were just slaves n nuthin more,
and we both fort out of that. Yung americans started hip-hop, yung South Africans started kwaito to express their feelings and lives in the gheto.Same as the Zimbabwean history too, and many other african countries.

Today, people think america's mo superior but i disagree, why do we have to listen to hip-hop but US citizens neva heard of Kwaito??

i think Americans r actualy somehow misled, cuz if ya say the word 'AFRICA' to an american they start to think Tarzan, n they think we livin in trees and shi. But i noticed that most of em dont know whats beyond they own country, n that kinda hurts me sum times. Our continent is precious but nobody really notices. Only a few black rappers been to Africa, most of em rather play in the "DEVIL COUNTRIES" countries like the UK! The same countries that have the intensions to re-colonise africa, but they neva visit their 'real home of origin'. Africa has been FORGOTEN!! U see people nowardays buyin bandanas and caps shirts etc with usa printed on them when the people aint even american, n that usually pisses me off too.

and the thing bout copyin American rap....... well, thats the only shi thats on the radios and TVs nowardays. there only a few South African rappers i've eva heard so far (some of em r pretty good).i dont try to make my verses sound American though, i just write whateva i feel sounds good...

THAT'S WAT DYME THINK

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Posted 10 April 2003 - 08:55 AM

I'm glad 2 hear some of us are enthusiatic about bridging the gap rather than destroying it. Lamar i agree with what you are saying and also with you Rhymgod( sorry if i misspelled your name), i do feel this is definitely a revolutionary wave that is actually taking place yet in a subliminal manner, alot of people are awakening to it and before it is too late we should react and let it be known but in a positive manner. i hope we can all share our thoughts and ideas as to how we can bridge this gap and work on this unification. if any one has any ideas please post them up for it is time and time waits for no man thank you. i shall reply soon with any ideas i can try and share . thanx once again and lets not sleep on this.

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Posted 10 April 2003 - 11:21 AM

I feel you on dat shit dyme..so where u at now?... cape town or america?

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Posted 10 April 2003 - 08:55 PM

I'm from Scotland but went to Uganda last summer. Altho u guys seem to have ur own sound going on with regards to Bongo Flava ect, u're just doing what everyone else is - trying to be as good as America. I ain't trying to preach, what I'm saying is that in the UK we've started our own new sound (check out http://www.bigdada.com) and have in my opinion in some ways become better than them. We've realised that we're not American, nor will we ever be, so why try? Africa has got such an amazing musical background, why forget about it? The whole world is trying to be like you, that's for a reason..............

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Posted 11 April 2003 - 09:02 AM

Definately feeling the sound of Africa in our music as essencial to developing hip hop in Africa.We all know the origins(historic and modern) but I think an African vibe would be like a birth mark on track since we are Africans expression who we live,who we are,and our world view on a mic;at the least it should reflect who we are.I've listened to hip hop from England,France,Cuba,Costa Rica,Mexico,and Africa and I can say that in my limited experiece I feel that there is a driving element of cultural identity due to the fact that we are all diferent and yet the diversity enriches the hip hop movement as a whole and gives it it's flavor beacause at the end of the day,WE are hip hop,Africa is hip hop.

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Posted 11 April 2003 - 11:44 AM

This is a very creative idea.I agree that this is essential to the development of our rap skillz.Learning from other ppl is probably the best way of learning.We should create a sort of commitee for Africanhiphop.com as first as possible.





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