how do we african mcs cope when we r told to stop using our language to blaze jts i just recorded a blazin track but there was this funny vibe cuz i thru in some yoruba words the thing is that pple or some cos think they can't push hiphop that's done in another language i tried schooling these pple with examples like mc solaar...orishas....burt they don't see any viability in it somebody holla at me this is doing my head in... it's heel being an independent di tin' no easy ...i'm sure i'm not alone...
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Started by Guest_shola_*, Jan 30 2003 04:15 PM
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#2 Guest_rah_*
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Posted 01 February 2003 - 12:21 PM
Rap is the way of representing identity. And language is the tool.
The Goal of Hip Hop was to become a part of scociety- to integrate ourself- without loosing our own Culture.
So why are the people don´t rap in their mothertonge. Were do we want to integrate us. to the american Rap szene? To the french one? Or to our own society.
The question now is:
Why we alwayz use the language from foreign settlers?
English & francais is good for communication - but we need to ask us if it is the one for expressing our self.
In Kenya people rap in Lou and Kiswaheli. In Austria people rap in their slang. People in ethiopia rap in amharic. People rap in wolof- even if I don´t understand these words - the flow is deluxe.
Support your language! Support the change.
The Goal of Hip Hop was to become a part of scociety- to integrate ourself- without loosing our own Culture.
So why are the people don´t rap in their mothertonge. Were do we want to integrate us. to the american Rap szene? To the french one? Or to our own society.
The question now is:
Why we alwayz use the language from foreign settlers?
English & francais is good for communication - but we need to ask us if it is the one for expressing our self.
In Kenya people rap in Lou and Kiswaheli. In Austria people rap in their slang. People in ethiopia rap in amharic. People rap in wolof- even if I don´t understand these words - the flow is deluxe.
Support your language! Support the change.
#3 Guest_shola_*
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Posted 04 February 2003 - 12:23 PM
Yah thanx 4 reachin' out thanx 4 concurring on this one a lot of pple actually think it's uncool and tacky to rhyme in ur mother tongue n that really amazes me i would do me..my identity ...if u no like am tough na dem sabi ...let's keep this going more african mcs pls contribute ...i was told that as long as i stick in my mother tongue flava i would be relegated to the "world" music section in major record stores i have to stay true o ...
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Posted 04 February 2003 - 01:59 PM
I really have a problem with this "worldmusic" section. First of all - it´s jsut a section coz human being can´t think without boxes/ sections .... . I don´t know why it is.
And secondly- just because of using mothertongue means "WORLDMUSIC".
No No- it don´t has to be like that.
And secondly- just because of using mothertongue means "WORLDMUSIC".
No No- it don´t has to be like that.
#5 Guest_shola_*
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Posted 05 February 2003 - 01:40 PM
Thanx once again for reaching out i'm feeling u on that one these boxes r really dangerous to me it serves some bloody agenda...it's real pathetic that some of my brothers n sistas don't seee this how shameful..
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Posted 05 February 2003 - 07:58 PM
rah__ said:
I really have a problem with this "worldmusic" section. First of all - it´s jsut a section coz human being can´t think without boxes/ sections .... . I don´t know why it is.
And secondly- just because of using mothertongue means "WORLDMUSIC".
No No- it don´t has to be like that.
And secondly- just because of using mothertongue means "WORLDMUSIC".
No No- it don´t has to be like that.
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Posted 05 February 2003 - 07:59 PM
rah__ said:
I really have a problem with this "worldmusic" section. First of all - it´s jsut a section coz human being can´t think without boxes/ sections .... . I don´t know why it is.
And secondly- just because of using mothertongue means "WORLDMUSIC".
No No- it don´t has to be like that.
And secondly- just because of using mothertongue means "WORLDMUSIC".
No No- it don´t has to be like that.
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Posted 05 February 2003 - 08:02 PM
CAN ANY BODY TO SAY HALLO :shock: :shock: :shock: :oops: :oops: :oops: :evil: :evil: :roll: :roll:
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Posted 05 February 2003 - 08:03 PM
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CAN ANY BODY TO SAY HALLO :shock: :shock: :shock: :oops: :oops: :oops: :evil: :evil: :roll: :roll:
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Posted 06 February 2003 - 03:36 PM
it is kinda weird that african hiphop albums get placed in the world section, while all European albums(in any language) always end up in the hiphop section. But if it's really a problem for you, and you wan't to reach an international audience, why not just do both? I'm all for rapping in your native language, it's a better way of getting a message across, most people also have a bigger vocabulary in their mother tongue. But if you make music for people outside of your own country, it's kind of weird to have them listen to something they can't understand. But you should always start out in your own language, it makes more sense(I don't know how far you've come, so it may not apply)as you have to start in the country you live in to build a reputation.... I don't really see the dilemma here...
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#12 Guest_MOA_*
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Posted 06 February 2003 - 07:37 PM
de tin be say dem noh kno dema roots. for dem to yap u sey e no be cul to spit in uno own dialect be very yawa. but it de depend on where dem want to push yu. if dem want to push u for yankee ah den you for try den mix some bleh(english) den your native tongue for inside..but if you spit pure yoruba den sometime dem go conf. dey for overstand sey the market for africanhiphop for yankee be untapped. RZA sef from WuTang go release some trackz here in yankee of e do for france plus french emcees..dem tracks no go dey pon no worldmusik section! e hard being indi artist but like the true lioness u r, u for push on thru and bun babylon and dema colo mentality and represent naija to the fullest..my cheap 2 cents.
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Posted 08 February 2003 - 11:10 AM
Shola,
I am Nigerian so I understand where you are coming from. That problem is acute especially among Nigerians. Nigerian emcees largely ignored Fela until people in the states started flexing with Afro-beat and then suddenly ...everybody is Afrobeating. I am all for hiphop in local languages but at the same time remember how Fela did it. He mainly used broken English to reach out to people who do not understand Yoruba but at the same time he used Yoruba hooklines/choruses/phrazes that grounds the theme of the music. Bob Marley also struck that balance in that he did not delve too deep into his own local accent (Bob was a real country boy). Your culture is nothing to be ashamed of but at the same time also think of the people you are trying to reach. By the way I really like Orishas.
I am Nigerian so I understand where you are coming from. That problem is acute especially among Nigerians. Nigerian emcees largely ignored Fela until people in the states started flexing with Afro-beat and then suddenly ...everybody is Afrobeating. I am all for hiphop in local languages but at the same time remember how Fela did it. He mainly used broken English to reach out to people who do not understand Yoruba but at the same time he used Yoruba hooklines/choruses/phrazes that grounds the theme of the music. Bob Marley also struck that balance in that he did not delve too deep into his own local accent (Bob was a real country boy). Your culture is nothing to be ashamed of but at the same time also think of the people you are trying to reach. By the way I really like Orishas.
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Posted 10 February 2003 - 11:44 AM
Kool i'm feelin'u it's all good thanx 4 reaching i've always thot Fela was koolanyway check out some of my old Afro hiphop jts at http://www.nigeria-a...ip_Hop/Weird_mc thanx holla at me soon ...this is a mesage for ill maestro
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Posted 11 February 2003 - 08:46 PM
Shola,
Great tracks, love 'em. I sent you an email anyway so I'll just keep it short here.
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Great tracks, love 'em. I sent you an email anyway so I'll just keep it short here.
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#16 Guest_shola_*
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Posted 12 February 2003 - 11:23 AM
yo ill got ur reply i sent u one thanx 4 reaching out 1
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Posted 12 February 2003 - 03:23 PM
shola said:
Yah thanx 4 reachin' out thanx 4 concurring on this one a lot of pple actually think it's uncool and tacky to rhyme in ur mother tongue n that really amazes me i would do me..my identity ...if u no like am tough na dem sabi ...let's keep this going more african mcs pls contribute ...i was told that as long as i stick in my mother tongue flava i would be relegated to the "world" music section in major record stores i have to stay true o ...
I sho enouf feel you. I miyself have a native tongue. But you gotta understand that what people buy are things the majority of the people understand. The main languages today are French and English. It sounds corny listening to a rap that's none other than English and french. If we establish our language outside of our borders and make it captivating somehow, people will appreciate it. But until then, I don't know.
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