what's the difference btw commercial and keeping it real
Posted 26 April 2010 - 02:44 PM
success in the music industry depend on a lot of factors not only how tight your lyrics are or how cheap it is, there's more to it that's why professionals get involved. money, media and perseverance of course good music. and then what's goopd music? how do u define REAL hiphop and COMMERcial hiphop? is there any tested formula for a successful music or track like Rugged man claimed? bring your takes on this and researched info is welcome
Posted 26 April 2010 - 10:49 PM
i was going thru the lists of rappers/emcees/afro whatever rtists and what they brought to the table
Rugged man-he ended the era of tongue twisting rap with no content and bla bla bla
mode 9- he brought realness in the rap industry and helped put nigeria in the map of countries with real emcees.
tribes meyn- them dudes actually started the group thing and if i'll say, rap.
stereo man- he developed his own style and used his music to talk about his region and everybody listened.
Tuface-dude started an infusion of raggae and RnB with pidgin english and a style that is inarguably the mother of Nigerian modern day afro hiphop
Nigga raw- he started rap in igbo language, he took the risk and look at where he is right now. alotta people are following suit. i'll say dude created a unique style of rap that's classified by me as Enugu hiphop lol.
the list goes. if u know any, u can post up. my point here is, are u just rapping cos u learned how to do that or cos u think ugot something to bring to the table? what isyour goal and objective? if u're called up for an interview, what will u actually talk about, yourself and that's it? Do u think what u bring is worth listening to and worth investing on? i need opinions here
Posted 28 April 2010 - 08:33 AM
the arguement should be wether the Song is GOOD or BAD and not Mainstream,Underground,whatever
examples of Nigerian Cross-over Rap songs i like
1 Ob Jazz - Lyrically Alert Kilonshele
2 OD - Alujo
3 Modenine feat OD and YQ - Loke
4 Terry Tha Rapman and pherowshuz - Sample
5 Da Grin - pon pon pon
6 Six Foot Plus - Millenium bugging
7 MI - Blaze
8 Vector - Mary Jane
9 Osagz - U say
10 Gino - Farabale
None of this songs i mentioned here are sellouts to me,nd they are all Radio friendly,mainstream and HOT...if you are an emcee,and you wanna make some Money from rap,you might wanna do something like this in your album
back to the issue of what we want from Hip-Hop...i dont care whatever,but when they mention the greatest, my name should pop up....and dats me....
to end this,i Performed at a russian Hip-Hop show in London,and after the show,i was interviewed and my music was felt by almost everyone...i was asked similar questions on the state of nigerian hip-hop and all my answers are in the video for you all to see..its kind of Long, 8 mins ,but its worth the view....
Apop no vex...i had to vent a little bit
#RIPDAGRIN - #Nowplaying - Azadus feat Da Grin and Lord of Ajasa - Jump up
Posted 28 April 2010 - 05:09 PM
Posted 28 April 2010 - 06:46 PM
my music is influenced by alotta thing-radio and market taste excluded. i make my own beats and i don't think any of the two things i mentioned influences the out come of what i produce. i listen to all typah music and try to pick something out of all genre. 80 of mainstream producers in united states and Nigeria are all washed up and don't have anything to offer anymore, and it's reflecting on the sales of hiphop music compared to other genre. there's no denying the fact that Nigerians have a formula for a "commercial music"(which could as well mean selling out). if u listen to OD's new single-rocking with da best, u'll understand what am saying.
anyways, i have a song called rocking with the best and i think OD would've changed his title if he had heard mine. www.myspace.com/cdrill rocking with the best. enjoy and comment
Posted 28 April 2010 - 06:47 PM
it's not commercial and underground rather, commercial and keeping it real.
Posted 28 April 2010 - 09:41 PM
Posted 29 April 2010 - 03:00 PM
"..should kick my own rhymes in the privacy of my own home.." CANIBUS
keeping it real is staying through to your ideals, your roots or watever u came into music for, it doesnt mean staying hardcore! or going commercial as long as ur music is not trash.
i like canibus, mostly because of the intelligent lyrics, i have all canibus albums, some hardcopy, i'll listen to most incredible rappers with repulsive beats, thats me, but people like me are like 2.5% of the population listening to rap, u wont make money off us i can tell u now. we all agree CANIBUS is a good example, dope ass lyrics mostly with trashy beats, dude, who u wan sell those things to? everybody is not like me, this is not 1995, we are in the digital age, post 2003 Itunes and the internet changed everything, if u aint gat a good formula, homeboi u wont matter, no matter how dope and hardcore u sound on the MIC!!
better still, wat do u actually mean by selling out? if someone makes dance-able music, is that selling out? isnt music about having fun and all? is there anything wrong with a dance track. point is RAP can be REAL and COMMERCIAL, yes, if u intend to make money off this, u better make it enjoyable, it doesnt mean ur selling out, selling out is fraying from your roots or not being who you are, it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with trying to EAT!!
REAL and COmmercial tracks i can remember off the top
TALIB KWELI- LIsten, Deliver us (both off Eardrum 2007), GET By (off Quality)
Kanye WEST - Diamonds from Sierra Leone
Eminem - I dont even know where to start well, Crack a Bottle -Relapse
LIl wayne - A mili - As much as i DONT LIKE lil wayne, i'm big enough to admit that track was it.
lloyd banks .. On fire (hunger for more 2004)
50 cent - In da club
Modenine - Talking to u (paradigm shift)
T.I...Dead and Gone...and many more
Jay-Z- Hard KNock life and so many many more
yo, the list is endless. so many people listen to music for different reasons, but if u want to make money off this art, its simple, ur music has to be enjoyable and not boring, cos u have to appeal to people who just dont listen to lyrics alone, but beats and people who just want to have fun.
i like Hardcore rap, but i like music before rap, thats y i listen to almost every genre u can think off from spanish merengue to korean pop, i listen to Kool Savas from Germany, i dont even understand what the FCUK he's saying but i'll pay money for his album. i am not ur average music listener, but this is how music is, its not just about what u say but how u sound overall.
if u want to make only "hardcore" rap, go ahead, but dont forget that no DJ has ever played RENEGADE (jay and em) in the club.. just saying. :D
@meyer, cant wait to hear ur track....
Posted 29 April 2010 - 05:00 PM
in my own opinion, keeping it real is doing it the way it's to be done. rap has elements that includes multi,metaphor,wordplay,simile,complexity,in rhyming,imagery,intelligent infos as in canibus(i like his poetic expression) , the list goes.Rap/hiphop is an art form of its own and it has rules too. i am a producer, i've seen bunch of cats come to ma studio with their shitty rap with no rhyming schemes, no bars, no taste and they want me to give them the best beat in the world cos they can afford my price. i don't get enough motivation working with people like that cos i found out it's not all about money, money can't provide me enough motivation i need to do this. My 80 percent motivation is intrinsic cos i have pride in showcasing my knowledge and educating with rap through my work.
Rap motivated me to read books that i use to ignore. listening to intelligent rap helped me a lot in knowing things i wouldn't have known listen to garbages. something inspired me into loving hip hop and that is what i still follow. i can't be comfortable seeing my son listen to rap these days cos of its negative effect on the listener. todays' rap promote violence,drug, demean women, and portray black people as stone cold mean muthafuckers. Rap these days promote materialism to the extreme cos that's what Satan wants to achieve. meyn are lovers of themselves rather than lovers of God. and that's what i call selling out. people like jay z would do a song promoting satanism because the people that pay them are agents of the devil, and you're a dumb-sell out when u follow them to do the same without knowing why. am not saying as an artists, u're not suppose to express yourself and things u see around u, but u can be a role model and change things to the positive with your words. i love rap the way i love poetry and books but these day, rap has relegated itself to a mediocrity level and that's because alotta artists preferred to sell out (their soul and inspiration) for money and material things that flickers.
@xblaze. i make club beats and party songs too and i can't compromise my talent and inspiration because of popular demand. n canibus has better music than alotta nuisance of today
i do it for the love and i will keep doing it well.
Posted 29 April 2010 - 05:17 PM
Posted 29 April 2010 - 06:39 PM
Don't forget i'm the no 1 canibus fan lol, dude is sick no doubt, infact, in his prime i still believe no rapper would come close if a battle is set up. none, zero zip, not even em, or chino XL. canibus delivery is octane. but lets not deviate from the discussion, if u want to eat, u better improvise, we're talking about commercialising the art as well as keeping it real abi? well The BEAST From The EAST aka Canibus forgot to do that, and um where is he now? still making hardcore shit for people like me.
Besides, it doesnt have to be a dance song that will sell you, the beat speaks to all of us, make that beat appealing, imagine canibus on a dre , scott storch or just blaze beat, we all know wat he can do with that delivery. Everything no be hardcore, can i bus tell us about ur childhood, tell us about that girlfriend wey shun you for high school, tell us about your mum's struggle to raise you, c'mon are u serious? u've proven ur point, nobody can kill u on the mic, its time to make something else.
it doesn t always have to be "My lyrics invade Europe and murder niggaz like joseph stalin" Buckingham Palace
Canibus is my kind of shit, but he could have made money and blown the world to smithereens if he switched up the business part of his craft.
How about Lupe Fiasco? sick, yet commercial.
dont you see how Jadakiss sounds on swizz beatz songs?
Posted 29 April 2010 - 07:23 PM
you are on point. The road that leads to hell is broad, and the way to heaven is narrow. i think if u look a at it in the context of rap, you'll see what's happening today. people like the broad way cos it's cheap and easy but it leads to destruction, but only few MEN follow the narrow way which leads to life, infinite wisdom and eternally blissful. LOL!!!! am not preaching but get my drift.
Posted 29 April 2010 - 07:34 PM
if u grow the balls to talk like this man, then u are a true emcee. Don't sample felas beat or his words if u can't do what he did. true talk. i like lil wyne(now i lied), i hate em and his likes. what did he teach his listeners? drank sipping and tattooing everything on ya body plus ya dick lol. Ma friend got into lil wyne and started sippiing drank, and in portharcourt, it's the new cool-lynning
First and foremost, please understand that you, the customer, control HIP HOP. Not the artists, not the radio, and certainly not the old white guys at the heads of these labels. These people have a lot of power but if they don't produce the numbers that is expected of them, they will eventually become POWERLESS. You and I are those numbers.
Together we can make changes.
It all started last week when that Lauren Hill video from TMZ was posted on the net. Then Illseed posted a short interview of her and at the bottom he wrote "She is so Smart". A couple of days later, i was cleaning up and I decided to put in a CD instead of just turning on my itunes. I had to use my blu-ray player cause my CD player wasn't even hooked up. LOL. It's been that long. Anyways, i put in the "The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill"
Wow, what have WE done to HIP HOP???
That album is a masterpiece. That is Music. PLEASE, I BEG ALL OF YOU THAT READ THIS LETTER TO LISTEN TO THAT ALBUM AGAIN, AND IF YOU NEVER HEARD IT PLEASE LISTEN TO IT FOR THE FIRST TIME TODAY. Its very important to listen to the entire album from the beginning to the end and in the the proper sequence. Listen to that album and only buy albums that MATCH THE GREATNESS OF IT and we can change HIP HOP back to what it was.
Artist don't make albums anymore, and i know why. It's because in today's industry artists are forced into thinking only about the GIMMICKS: the ring tones, the merchandising, etc...(a. Gimmick: A device employed to cheat, deceive, or trick, especially a mechanism for the secret and dishonest control), But all these gimmicks wouldn't be so relevant right now if artists made good music. Gimmicks were invented because your album sucks and your single sounds more like a jingle then a song. Your label and management have to think up of crazy ways to make themselves money because they know a jingle when they hear one. Note to artist: I said make themselves some money.THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU, or us
Let me get back to us, the people, the customer. People please stop calling your radio stations, e-mail video stations and requesting this wack music. These artist can make better music, believe me. We can make them change.
HIP HOP needs all of its categories: Underground, Main Stream, Pop HIP HOP, Ganster Rap, Rap, Back Packer, Hip Hop Soul, etc......, but it doesn't need all the junk in between.
Lastly, i know a bunch of you are going to say that there is a lot of good HIP HOP out right now but i'm talking about HIP HOP that can be played on the radio and win a Grammy for Album of The Year. Anytime a good artist tries to go commercial, all they make is JUNK.
PS. If any body thinks "The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill" is not a HIP HOP album then you need to do more then just read this letter, you need to re-learn what HIP HOP really is.
Posted 29 April 2010 - 07:57 PM
dude speaks ma mind. a must watch, listen to his last statement.
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Posted 03 May 2010 - 01:57 AM
just to clear any doubts, i listened to your interview againhttp://www.myspace.com/bigfazillion i listened to your songs.
Posted 03 May 2010 - 02:43 AM
Posted 03 May 2010 - 10:44 AM
me too im out..i usually dont go off like this,but it is accumulated thoughts nd ive let them out...lets talk about something more productive and mybe when my mixtape drops in 2 days time ull download...
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