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[hiphopiseducation]

The above anatomically correct, pocket guide graphic was issued along to press and the fashion patrol on June 27, the chief issued a departmental memorandum telling officers: "This immoral self expression goes beyond freedom of expression."
Allow me to be “Pro” Black for a minute because what I am about to vomit is something that is hurting within. So, I was some doing some research about Louis Farrakhan and some “Pro” figures in the black community when I stomped on this mystified article about a city in Michigan called Flint and Police Chief David Dicks wants Flint residents to watch their butts or else they will have to face 93 days to a year in jail and/or fines up to $500.
All jokes aside, the major problem with Flint's new fashion police is their broad mandate. The chief says wearing pants below the waist gives officers "probable cause to search saggers for other crimes, such as weapon and drug possession" and that means officers will have license to frisk and search almost anyone whose outfit is considered offensive. It's another clever end-run around the Fourth Amendment. Now I want everybody to pay close attention to what I have to say because it is like snatching freedom away from people. How is sagging offensive or provocative to the next man? And if that’s the card they want to play then what about girls that dress scandalously to tease and some in the process even get rapped. There are issues of homosexuality out there that hasn’t been addressed by Police Chief David Dicks or he is too dumb to support the motion that homosexuality is a natural thing but I beg to differ, homosexuality has been in existence right from the era of the Roman Empire and it is believed to be a curse from the ancient gods. With that said I guess our generations believe is that homosexuality is natural and nature has taken it upon itself to select some species to be either bi-sexual or homosexual.
Let’s get back to the issue at hand and I'd like to remind all of those with conservative tastes that everyone can be offended by something. Everything, as far as the government is concerned, is a matter in which the government reserves the right to impose punishment on its citizens. With more families and individuals struggling financially in the face of this harsh economy, is this a prudent use of tax dollars for the folks of Flint, MI (or anywhere else), particularly for those who are one paycheck away from homelessness? Incidentally, I disagree with Chief Dicks about this not being a race issue, too, but more important, it's a POWER issue for government. I would urge folks of a conservative nature to consider the harassment and tyranny they have, can, and will experience from the police for their own lifestyle choices before they start applauding this law.
Sean Bell was shot fifty times in New York and the officers walked, what will happen if I am arguing with an officer about my dress code and he/she decides to just shot me for being stubborn.
Leaving you with a food for thought: Remember the Italian mafia's are well dressed but they still do their mob jobs and kill people...

Read more:

http://www.mlive.com/flintjournal/index ... ks_or.html

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Use google and other search engines for more about this disturbing story.

[Masindi_P]

What is the truth here... I do not really understand how they came about with such 'legislation', but the question for me is... what do they want to achieve, or what are they trying to curb... Ok now let us just engage in the pants sagging business. it may not be an offense but it is indecent, actually it is a contributor to how other races see us black as inferior. IN RETROSPECT, the pants sagging business has its roots in the american prison systems, and therefore without digging deep into its roots... IT REPRESENTS PRISON, AND INCARCERATION. People do it today because it has been made to look APPEALING, but the essense is that a prison born tradition has been experted to the streets and ghettos allover the world. and that does not make it right. Maybe that is one of the reasons why we still feel trapped, the run ins with the law and why so many of us are concerned with having a reputation that involves doing timein prison... it is allover the world, even her in my hood... (South Africa).

I would also encourage you to look at this decency issue not in the eyes of man, but of the God who made you. If he cursed Noah's grandson because his father Ham, laughed at Noah's nakedness do you think he is pleased with all the pants sagging and indecency that runs unchecked on the streets. I don't think so (and the girl folk are not excluded) I just wanted to tackle the pants issue.... WE CAN STILL BE HIP AND DECENT, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE OUR CULTURE MORE APPEALING.

[hiphopiseducation]

Honestly I am with you every step you have taken to approach the matter, but have you ever thought that covering ourselves is a sign that we are ashamed of our mortal self. Remember it was right after Adam & Even ate the fruit that they became aware of their nakedness meaning that covering ourselves is a sin on its own.
There is no way sagging has made people feel entrapped, it is just a lifestyle and you were right that it is a prison lifestyle that got embarrassed by African Americans and has become a virulent disease that is affecting the entire globe. The sagging law that Flint police department is passing has to do with a race because almost 90 percent of Black youths dress like that.
I am sure it won't stand...

[Masindi_P]

I am with you on that law being racially incisive, and if that really be the case, I trust God it won't stand because it is an unjust law. but ont he other hand, such a law would do our communities much good if it was focused on bringing back good ole decency.

Now concerning what you said about the shame of the mortal man.

hiphopiseducation said:

Honestly I am with you every step you have taken to approach the matter, but have you ever thought that covering ourselves is a sign that we are ashamed of our mortal self. Remember it was right after Adam & Even ate the fruit that they became aware of their nakedness meaning that covering ourselves is a sin on its own.

Sin makes us shameful of who wea are, that is why adam had to hide. and the bible also in many ways encourages us, especially women to dress modestly. It is not covering ourselves that is sin, it is our nature that is sinful and sees nakedness in a manner unbecoming.

Moving away from that, I would like to ask you a question (It is not only nakedness that makes us ashamed as mortal beings it is our wrongs that cause us to feel ashamed, especially in the light of who God is) If you were to be in the presence of God would you feel ashamed? If Yes, why?

[hiphopiseducation]

I won’t be ashamed reason been that he already knew me even before I was made human inside my mother’s womb so what’s the point of hiding/covering myself in front of someone that knows what is within. There is a Nigerian proverb that says “The dead does not hide from he that will wash/clean it”

And the motive behind this type of law is race...

[Masindi_P]

hiphopiseducation said:

There is a Nigerian proverb that says “The dead does not hide from he that will wash/clean it”.

interesting proverb, would you mind just breaking it down for me some more?